Diplomacy is where official spokes persons for countries talk to each other. What Trump is doing when talking to officials for other countries is NOT diplomacy. Not even if he has any intent beyond self serving ones.
laughingBaguette on
Key phrase “SINCE HE LEFT OFFICE” and engaging in “diplomacy” as a private citizen without informing the state dept. is extremely shady
> Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
Not that anyone has ever been convicted of it though.
AWholeNewFattitude on
An admission on tape….
sexisfun1986 on
The lesson of history is that no one ever learns from history.
Nixon was allowed to get away with this as well.
TacetAbbadon on
When there is well documented history of the Russian state helping that private citizen get to office, then yes there is a problem with that “diplomacy”. International diplomacy is the quid pro quo between states, “we both agree to reduce trade tariffs”, not “We’ll get you elected and you turn a blind eye to whatever we do.”
ParticularAd8919 on
Cause he’s Putin’s bitch. Here’s the thing even if DT isn’t an outright agent of Russia, he’s without a doubt simped (visibly so) for Putin and other authoritarian strongmen. It’d be better if he was an outright agent because if he’s not at least getting paid by Putin he’s just his bitch.
EmporerPenguino on
Other than the crime part, JD??? What a maroon.
Snarkasm71 on
Cue MAGA using this as their excuse in 3, 2, 1…
Consistent_Soft_1857 on
See Logan Act
Realistic_Mushroom72 on
This people are so deceitful, most of this people have college degrees, they know how to make research, it really easy to find out that private citizens can’t engage with foreign governments in diplomatic talks on behalf of their nation, only government officials or specially designated envoys can do that, if you aren’t part of the diplomatic corps, or weren’t tap by the President, you don’t have any power to negotiate on behalf of the government.
Madrugada2010 on
YES, isn’t it a violation of the Logan Act?
spacemanspiff1115 on
I guess JD figures “when you’re a star they let you do it”…ffs
Ricepudding1044 on
When Obama met Putin face to face he wouldn’t shake his hand. That’s the correct reaction.
brownieson on
JD Vance, doing his best to cock everything up and have trump end in jail. Surely he can’t be stupid enough to say this shit out loud?
Live-End-6693 on
It’s a problem when you’re not the fucking president.
Bluvsnatural on
Q: Is there anything wrong?
A: Yes. The Logan Act
Next question
Coinsworthy on
A little bit closer to treason than is comfortable.
Manic-Finch781 on
What’s the point of the Logan Act or any act for that matter, if not enforced??
Unlikely_Ad_7004 on
The esteemed Senator from Ohio better read his copy of the handbook.
SeanOfTheDead1313 on
Imagine if Obama did the exact same thing. Repubs would FREAK OUT
Harvest827 on
US Senator JD Vance is unaware of the Logan Act, or he is confident we don’t.
no_one_c4res on
It is literally illegal for a private citizen to engage in national diplomacy. If he gets autorisation he is no longer a private citizen.
I am not sure if it is in the constitution but I know it is illegal.
Icy-Needleworker-492 on
As a private citizen …..YES….as Vance is well aware.
davejjj on
It’s traitorous, but then what is new about that?
fliesupsidedown on
They were just exchanging pie crust tips. /s
gracchusbaboon on
Engaging in diplomacy on behalf of the People’s Republic of His Own Precious Ass.
PurpleDragonCorn on
Not to mention it is a felony for a private citizen to participate in any form of diplomacy without authorization from the state department. We have laws against this
jessiethegemini on
Vance, there is absolutely something wrong working diplomacy when you are not a current leader or representative of the country. It is called the Logan Act.
Whiteroses7252012 on
I mean, Trump is a private citizen, so he probably shouldn’t be “engaging in diplomacy”, and the fact that the candidate for VP needs that explained to him is disturbing.
greginvalley on
It’s only illegal if someone will prosecute it.
joyibib on
Hey guys I think JD Vance might be an idiot
radulosk on
As just a random dude, if I had a call with Putin I’m pretty sure there would be a cop at my door within the hour.
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Diplomacy is where official spokes persons for countries talk to each other. What Trump is doing when talking to officials for other countries is NOT diplomacy. Not even if he has any intent beyond self serving ones.
Key phrase “SINCE HE LEFT OFFICE” and engaging in “diplomacy” as a private citizen without informing the state dept. is extremely shady
Yes, JD. It’s a clear violation of the Logan Act.
[https://thehill.com/policy/international/4924145-susan-rice-trump-putin-logan-act/](https://thehill.com/policy/international/4924145-susan-rice-trump-putin-logan-act/)
[Literally a felony](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act).
> Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
Not that anyone has ever been convicted of it though.
An admission on tape….
The lesson of history is that no one ever learns from history.
Nixon was allowed to get away with this as well.
When there is well documented history of the Russian state helping that private citizen get to office, then yes there is a problem with that “diplomacy”. International diplomacy is the quid pro quo between states, “we both agree to reduce trade tariffs”, not “We’ll get you elected and you turn a blind eye to whatever we do.”
Cause he’s Putin’s bitch. Here’s the thing even if DT isn’t an outright agent of Russia, he’s without a doubt simped (visibly so) for Putin and other authoritarian strongmen. It’d be better if he was an outright agent because if he’s not at least getting paid by Putin he’s just his bitch.
Other than the crime part, JD??? What a maroon.
Cue MAGA using this as their excuse in 3, 2, 1…
See Logan Act
This people are so deceitful, most of this people have college degrees, they know how to make research, it really easy to find out that private citizens can’t engage with foreign governments in diplomatic talks on behalf of their nation, only government officials or specially designated envoys can do that, if you aren’t part of the diplomatic corps, or weren’t tap by the President, you don’t have any power to negotiate on behalf of the government.
YES, isn’t it a violation of the Logan Act?
I guess JD figures “when you’re a star they let you do it”…ffs
When Obama met Putin face to face he wouldn’t shake his hand. That’s the correct reaction.
JD Vance, doing his best to cock everything up and have trump end in jail. Surely he can’t be stupid enough to say this shit out loud?
It’s a problem when you’re not the fucking president.
Q: Is there anything wrong?
A: Yes. The Logan Act
Next question
A little bit closer to treason than is comfortable.
What’s the point of the Logan Act or any act for that matter, if not enforced??
The esteemed Senator from Ohio better read his copy of the handbook.
Imagine if Obama did the exact same thing. Repubs would FREAK OUT
US Senator JD Vance is unaware of the Logan Act, or he is confident we don’t.
It is literally illegal for a private citizen to engage in national diplomacy. If he gets autorisation he is no longer a private citizen.
I am not sure if it is in the constitution but I know it is illegal.
As a private citizen …..YES….as Vance is well aware.
It’s traitorous, but then what is new about that?
They were just exchanging pie crust tips. /s
Engaging in diplomacy on behalf of the People’s Republic of His Own Precious Ass.
Not to mention it is a felony for a private citizen to participate in any form of diplomacy without authorization from the state department. We have laws against this
Vance, there is absolutely something wrong working diplomacy when you are not a current leader or representative of the country. It is called the Logan Act.
I mean, Trump is a private citizen, so he probably shouldn’t be “engaging in diplomacy”, and the fact that the candidate for VP needs that explained to him is disturbing.
It’s only illegal if someone will prosecute it.
Hey guys I think JD Vance might be an idiot
As just a random dude, if I had a call with Putin I’m pretty sure there would be a cop at my door within the hour.
