She did her big one w that 👏 im glad these dudes were receptive. learning to listen to those we hurt is a crucial step in healing
SlopPatrol on
He cooking, everyone in the video cooking
Finnignatius on
Lol you can’t know everything about your oppressor or else you’ll get depressed…
Crisis-Counselor on
I get the sentiment but the oppressed don’t know everything about their oppressor, they only know the oppressing side. People and cultures are complex and you’re really only speaking to the side that that culture shows you. There’s a lot more to it than what you see, which is why you don’t know more about the oppressors than they do. You just know how what they do affects you.
Young_KingKush on
S/o my boy Conscious Lee man, frequent guest on the Olay & Friends pod (that’s how I found out about him anyway)
DAXObscurantist on
This idea that the oppressed are always better equipped to understand systems of oppression is lazy cliche that has done indescribable damage to social justice movements. Especially harmful is the way that it downplays the extent to which oppression is evident in real facts that anyone can learn about. Oppression should not only be understood through lived experience and “theory.”
This issue is really manifested in the argument about whether black men are similar to white women. People get upset over this argument because it’s stupid. It’s more of a soundbite than a serious analysis. But if you beat it hard enough, you can get it to fit into the shape of the most serious theories du jour, and that’s what counts, not whether that process erases the actual factual state of the lives of black men, black women, white men, white women, and how they relate to each other. People are clearly more proud of being able to flex their theoretical knowledge than they are curious about understanding the world.
Docking additional points for what sounded to me like additive intersectionality.
Unironically I cannot wait until the next big thing comes along in feminism, so we can stop pretending everyone who uses the word intersectionality deserves to be taken seriously.
Penguino13 on
I feel like this isn’t wrong, but it’s also insanely generalizing with extra steps.
VioletKate18 on
good god that is the most concise answer ive ever heard in my life
blackgoldlink on
Yeah…it’s really two things that can’t be compared. Black men understand whiteness, but we can only speak on ‘masculine’ whiteness . We are not qualified to speak on femininity whether black or white. So what she is saying just sounds nice, but it’s wrong.
roastplantain on
Here we gooooo
ThisNameDoesntCount on
Dude kind of had a point until he agreed with black men and white men being the same lmao. No serious person is saying that shit outside the internet
Amygdalump on
Education is indeed elevation.
This is amazing, thank you thank you thank you.
SkynBonce on
When you think you’re gonna win the argument and she pulls out some left field logic that has you agreeing with her!
addicuss on
At first I thought this was one of those dumbass videos where someone just nods their head like an idiot and contributes nothing but the commentary at the end was actually really solid
EllisDee3 on
I was talking to a white lady friend about how she refuses to step aside when a man is walking in her path anymore.
I said I also refuse to step aside when a white person is in my path anymore.
There was a momentary glitch when processing this new perspective.
DawRogg on
Buddy walked into that one. Gatekeeping masculinity discussions
Faded1974 on
Women do not know about masculinity in mens-only circles or anything else that happens when they’re not around. This was too general of an answer for something far too broad to be covered with a simple faceted answer.
hnglmkrnglbrry on
White women and Black men being oppressors is so fucking true. Look at the response to Kamala and how there are plenty of white women and Black men putting her down for non policy reasons.
That was a dumb ass answer, girl math hard at work.
AaronQuinty on
I understand the logic, but I just disagree altogether. I don’t know everything about white people, and I think it’s ridiculous for us as black people to think we do, we don’t see them when they’re in bed with their partners chatting or when they’re at their family dinners. We know what they show us.
StarlightandDewdrops on
I’ve never heard intesectionality broken down in such an interesting and succinct way. All facts
joshuaaa_l on
I don’t know if black people know more about about white people than we know about ourselves. You guys didn’t even know we don’t wash our legs! (Joking, and also I was shocked by the no leg washing revelation too lol)
yodatheyota on
Is it ok to say retard in this post?
jordanundead on
This is why us gays can tell you the Bible inside and out. I don’t believe in none of that shit, but you gonna use it as a weapon against me I’m bending that shit backwards like bugs bunny.
mayalourdes on
i fear she mf ate
kadrilan on
These masculinity podcasts usually fulla the softest most ignorant men ever.
GERDY31290 on
someone has been listening/reading Baldwin
throwawayaccount0327 on
Preach
FEMA_Camp_Survivor on
Perhaps I missed the point but I’ve never seen a white woman’s lynching and mutilated body captured on a postcard as a souvenir. Never heard of an American white woman’s skin being worn as shoes to symbolize male superiority. After obtaining the vote, I don’t recall mass organized efforts to kill, handicap, or dissuade white women voters. I don’t recall white women being chattel slaves in the United States either.
OfficiallyJoeBiden on
Ooooohhhhh she cooked
NebulaSpaceCadet on
Can I get a mark before this goes Country Club
a-midnight-flight on
What she said is true. No argument from me at all!
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Country club this one quick
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Piss
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She did her big one w that 👏 im glad these dudes were receptive. learning to listen to those we hurt is a crucial step in healing
He cooking, everyone in the video cooking
Lol you can’t know everything about your oppressor or else you’ll get depressed…
I get the sentiment but the oppressed don’t know everything about their oppressor, they only know the oppressing side. People and cultures are complex and you’re really only speaking to the side that that culture shows you. There’s a lot more to it than what you see, which is why you don’t know more about the oppressors than they do. You just know how what they do affects you.
S/o my boy Conscious Lee man, frequent guest on the Olay & Friends pod (that’s how I found out about him anyway)
This idea that the oppressed are always better equipped to understand systems of oppression is lazy cliche that has done indescribable damage to social justice movements. Especially harmful is the way that it downplays the extent to which oppression is evident in real facts that anyone can learn about. Oppression should not only be understood through lived experience and “theory.”
This issue is really manifested in the argument about whether black men are similar to white women. People get upset over this argument because it’s stupid. It’s more of a soundbite than a serious analysis. But if you beat it hard enough, you can get it to fit into the shape of the most serious theories du jour, and that’s what counts, not whether that process erases the actual factual state of the lives of black men, black women, white men, white women, and how they relate to each other. People are clearly more proud of being able to flex their theoretical knowledge than they are curious about understanding the world.
Docking additional points for what sounded to me like additive intersectionality.
Unironically I cannot wait until the next big thing comes along in feminism, so we can stop pretending everyone who uses the word intersectionality deserves to be taken seriously.
I feel like this isn’t wrong, but it’s also insanely generalizing with extra steps.
good god that is the most concise answer ive ever heard in my life
Yeah…it’s really two things that can’t be compared. Black men understand whiteness, but we can only speak on ‘masculine’ whiteness . We are not qualified to speak on femininity whether black or white. So what she is saying just sounds nice, but it’s wrong.
Here we gooooo
Dude kind of had a point until he agreed with black men and white men being the same lmao. No serious person is saying that shit outside the internet
Education is indeed elevation.
This is amazing, thank you thank you thank you.
When you think you’re gonna win the argument and she pulls out some left field logic that has you agreeing with her!
At first I thought this was one of those dumbass videos where someone just nods their head like an idiot and contributes nothing but the commentary at the end was actually really solid
I was talking to a white lady friend about how she refuses to step aside when a man is walking in her path anymore.
I said I also refuse to step aside when a white person is in my path anymore.
There was a momentary glitch when processing this new perspective.
Buddy walked into that one. Gatekeeping masculinity discussions
Women do not know about masculinity in mens-only circles or anything else that happens when they’re not around. This was too general of an answer for something far too broad to be covered with a simple faceted answer.
White women and Black men being oppressors is so fucking true. Look at the response to Kamala and how there are plenty of white women and Black men putting her down for non policy reasons.
Bill Burr hits the nail on the head:
https://youtu.be/VA3sjUmQvrM?si=yPyIJUUDWvyluVwT
This is so not true
That was a dumb ass answer, girl math hard at work.
I understand the logic, but I just disagree altogether. I don’t know everything about white people, and I think it’s ridiculous for us as black people to think we do, we don’t see them when they’re in bed with their partners chatting or when they’re at their family dinners. We know what they show us.
I’ve never heard intesectionality broken down in such an interesting and succinct way. All facts
I don’t know if black people know more about about white people than we know about ourselves. You guys didn’t even know we don’t wash our legs! (Joking, and also I was shocked by the no leg washing revelation too lol)
Is it ok to say retard in this post?
This is why us gays can tell you the Bible inside and out. I don’t believe in none of that shit, but you gonna use it as a weapon against me I’m bending that shit backwards like bugs bunny.
i fear she mf ate
These masculinity podcasts usually fulla the softest most ignorant men ever.
someone has been listening/reading Baldwin
Preach
Perhaps I missed the point but I’ve never seen a white woman’s lynching and mutilated body captured on a postcard as a souvenir. Never heard of an American white woman’s skin being worn as shoes to symbolize male superiority. After obtaining the vote, I don’t recall mass organized efforts to kill, handicap, or dissuade white women voters. I don’t recall white women being chattel slaves in the United States either.
Ooooohhhhh she cooked
Can I get a mark before this goes Country Club
What she said is true. No argument from me at all!