Tbf, it’s because people have been lied to over centuries now that this system is better and anytime anyone tries to bring up any other countries, you hear the same tired “You don’t want government meddling in healthcare.” or “Look how long their waits are, you would die before you get treatment.” ignoring the fact that we too still have long waits. Honestly, the fact that it is cheaper to fly to another country on vacation, get your treatment, spend a couple k then fly back is the most dystopian thing ever.
tarahunterdar on
People who are against universal healthcare are brainwashed with horror stories. Ironically, most of them are conservatives who insist they don’t want to pay more for universal healthcare…without realizing privatized healthcare has driven the overall cost 10x-15x the amount they would pay if we went universal.
Separate-Signal-1738 on
Waaa waaa don’t buy health insurance problem fixed
Illustrious-Roll7737 on
The American healthcare system is rigged on all sides by providers, insurers, and pharmaceutical companies.
Providers (i.e. hospitals) and pharmaceutical companies are privately owned entities, competing in markets, just like any other business. They can charge whatever they want and you can’t price compare because they don’t openly post prices for services.
Pharmaceutical companies can charge whatever they want for proprietary medication. And generally charge what they want (i.e. Martin Shkreli).
Insurers must remain in business paying for those costs while competing with each other, not working together.
Since our government doesn’t have any regulations on the cost of medical products and services, insurers raise their prices to cover the service and drug costs. Health insurers raise prices instead of uniting to challenge the pricing.
A single payer entity would have the market power to get costs under control. The only people that benefit from the current system are the providers, insurers, pharmaceutical companies, and politicians accepting lobby money to fight changing it.
possy11 on
I live in a universal healthcare country. It has its issues right now, but I would never trade it.
It’s a bargain compared to the US, but please don’t call it “free”.
infowosecfurry on
It’s excellent, albeit terrifying proof of the effectiveness of propaganda.
People don’t just believe free healthcare is bad, they believe it militantly.
MixRevolution on
Most of these people who don’t like free healthcare hates to see their fellow man as equals in terms of health more than getting free healthcare themselves.
epicbackground on
I believe in universal healthcare, but I feel like what a lot of people from other countries don’t realize is that healthcare is just tyranny of the majority here in the US. Enough people are getting great health coverage, better then if it was under a universal model, and the people that suffer are suffering catastrophically.
The people on top believe that they earned the right/deserve the great health insurance, and that the people on the bottom are just lazy to get to where they are. Im not saying this is the truth, but just how many people view this situation.
But for example, most of me and my friends have health insurance that is cheaper than what European countries offer (when you look at the tax differential) but also offers more services. Now this is clearly a privileged position to be in, but unfortunately, enough people believe that this should remain a privilege and not a right.
LillyGoliath on
I’d rather have my healthcare ran by companies that employ Doctors to make healthcare decisions than any government. “Most terrifying words ever “ I’m with the government and I’m here to help””- Ronald Reagan
StrangeContest4 on
Insurance/Middlemen Gnomes:
Step 1. Collect premiums
Step 2.
Step 3. Profit
emiliosh on
Bc… Communism hahahahaha poor guys
Cool_Butterscotch_88 on
Getting free health care isnt the problem, it’s that slightly poorer ppl also getting it, especially if worst case scenario others who wouldn’t otherwise be able to pay for it themselves.
Some amount of suffering is worth it to punish those less fortunate.
inmatenumberseven on
Cause they think in public systems some bureaucrat is telling doctors whether to perform a procedure or not.
Nips81 on
Jon Stewart did a good piece on this within the last few months. I agree, it’s messed up, however…
Government healthcare would create significant challenges as well. Challenges most countries with universal healthcare haven’t figured out. It’s not to say they can’t be fixed, and it’s not to say we shouldn’t try, but this is a *massively* challenging change/policy to implement.
Rather, I think improving upon our existing system is more practical. The government has no say over how our tax dollars that go to private health insurance companies is spent. In some cases, the government is the largest income source for these companies too. 🤯
Policy can alter how those dollars are spent. Those who qualify won’t pay more than cost for prescription meds or services, for example. Currently, it doesn’t exist though.
Moleday1023 on
You mean, we don’t love to pay more for less coverage. When they tried to get rid of the affordable care, act people were shocked to find out that that’s what was covering them. People are dumb.
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But sooo muach freedoms
“Let them die”
– The GOP
Tbf, it’s because people have been lied to over centuries now that this system is better and anytime anyone tries to bring up any other countries, you hear the same tired “You don’t want government meddling in healthcare.” or “Look how long their waits are, you would die before you get treatment.” ignoring the fact that we too still have long waits. Honestly, the fact that it is cheaper to fly to another country on vacation, get your treatment, spend a couple k then fly back is the most dystopian thing ever.
People who are against universal healthcare are brainwashed with horror stories. Ironically, most of them are conservatives who insist they don’t want to pay more for universal healthcare…without realizing privatized healthcare has driven the overall cost 10x-15x the amount they would pay if we went universal.
Waaa waaa don’t buy health insurance problem fixed
The American healthcare system is rigged on all sides by providers, insurers, and pharmaceutical companies.
Providers (i.e. hospitals) and pharmaceutical companies are privately owned entities, competing in markets, just like any other business. They can charge whatever they want and you can’t price compare because they don’t openly post prices for services.
Pharmaceutical companies can charge whatever they want for proprietary medication. And generally charge what they want (i.e. Martin Shkreli).
Insurers must remain in business paying for those costs while competing with each other, not working together.
Since our government doesn’t have any regulations on the cost of medical products and services, insurers raise their prices to cover the service and drug costs. Health insurers raise prices instead of uniting to challenge the pricing.
A single payer entity would have the market power to get costs under control. The only people that benefit from the current system are the providers, insurers, pharmaceutical companies, and politicians accepting lobby money to fight changing it.
I live in a universal healthcare country. It has its issues right now, but I would never trade it.
It’s a bargain compared to the US, but please don’t call it “free”.
It’s excellent, albeit terrifying proof of the effectiveness of propaganda.
People don’t just believe free healthcare is bad, they believe it militantly.
Most of these people who don’t like free healthcare hates to see their fellow man as equals in terms of health more than getting free healthcare themselves.
I believe in universal healthcare, but I feel like what a lot of people from other countries don’t realize is that healthcare is just tyranny of the majority here in the US. Enough people are getting great health coverage, better then if it was under a universal model, and the people that suffer are suffering catastrophically.
The people on top believe that they earned the right/deserve the great health insurance, and that the people on the bottom are just lazy to get to where they are. Im not saying this is the truth, but just how many people view this situation.
But for example, most of me and my friends have health insurance that is cheaper than what European countries offer (when you look at the tax differential) but also offers more services. Now this is clearly a privileged position to be in, but unfortunately, enough people believe that this should remain a privilege and not a right.
I’d rather have my healthcare ran by companies that employ Doctors to make healthcare decisions than any government. “Most terrifying words ever “ I’m with the government and I’m here to help””- Ronald Reagan
Insurance/Middlemen Gnomes:
Step 1. Collect premiums
Step 2.
Step 3. Profit
Bc… Communism hahahahaha poor guys
Getting free health care isnt the problem, it’s that slightly poorer ppl also getting it, especially if worst case scenario others who wouldn’t otherwise be able to pay for it themselves.
Some amount of suffering is worth it to punish those less fortunate.
Cause they think in public systems some bureaucrat is telling doctors whether to perform a procedure or not.
Jon Stewart did a good piece on this within the last few months. I agree, it’s messed up, however…
Government healthcare would create significant challenges as well. Challenges most countries with universal healthcare haven’t figured out. It’s not to say they can’t be fixed, and it’s not to say we shouldn’t try, but this is a *massively* challenging change/policy to implement.
Rather, I think improving upon our existing system is more practical. The government has no say over how our tax dollars that go to private health insurance companies is spent. In some cases, the government is the largest income source for these companies too. 🤯
Policy can alter how those dollars are spent. Those who qualify won’t pay more than cost for prescription meds or services, for example. Currently, it doesn’t exist though.
You mean, we don’t love to pay more for less coverage. When they tried to get rid of the affordable care, act people were shocked to find out that that’s what was covering them. People are dumb.