All according to Keikaku really, divide and weaken
antolleus on
Tigray? Didn’t Ethiopians conquer this region on their own
JayHaych1323 on
This take is so boring.
Go into the middle of Africa and half of em probably haven’t even seen a map to know they’re supposedly divided.
A line on a page isn’t why they are killing each other.
Same-Pizza-6724 on
“so why are we fighting again?”
“because the brits drew a line on a map”
“really?”
“of course, it’s literally the only reason people go to war”
BagNo2988 on
People could’ve just fought everyone before these pesky lines.
Lower_Saxony on
I mean they could always have settled the boundaries peacefully.
LustyForPotato on
You ever read African history before colonialism lol
DSIR1 on
It’s one of the reasons not the sole reason, also per my obligations it was….Fr*nce
If you are fr*nch and reading this, I’m currently working out a way to cut that big pointy metal thing and stick it into the museum. Might ~~steal~~ borrow all your baguettes.
Ps. I’m only angry because learning fr*nch is annoying. 😡🤬
ProgramusSecretus on
Pretty sure most countries don’t have the borders they would want
Wonderful_Test3593 on
Tigray, Sudan and Lebanon aren’t european made issues. For the first two, the borders were made by local polities (Egypt and Ethiopia). For the latter, ethnic conflicts existed before Lebanon was created and it was specifically created to avoid such conflicts. It was events and decisions makings that were made after independance that recreated those issues.
That’s honestly a bad meme.
Rabid_Lederhosen on
Africa is famously the only continent that has civil wars and border conflicts.
Easyest_flover on
This is not helping the sub’s image of historically illiterate 15yo
PoorRiceFarmer69 on
u/repostsleuthbot
Dambo_Unchained on
Yeah because ethnic and tribal warfare didn’t exist before Europeans showed up in that area
If being forced to share a country results in two groups of people wanting to kill each other I don’t really think the main responsibility for that violence lies with the country maker but with you know, the people seemingly unable to let each other live
providerofair on
I disagree Yes sure the lines didn’t help But putting a single cause on a, extremely complicated issue It’s never good, Look at south Sudan entire civil war for ethnic borders, and south Sudan is still ass.
Now look at Botswana no civil war random lines draw yet the country is great compared to other African nations.
When they were released they choose to try to make the borders work
Wessel-P on
If they haven’t figured things out after centuries and still blame others than it’s their own inability.
GeneralJones420-2 on
Several of these are definitely not because of the colonial powers. Egypt conquered Sudan including the South and the British merely kept those borders, Lebanon had been united within one country for centuries and could not feasibly have been split between Christians and Muslims, and there wasn’t even any notable movement to do so, and Ethiopia was never colonized until way after the lines had been drawn, Tigray being a part of Ethiopia is a result of Ethiopian, not European, expansion.
Mysterious_Silver_27 on
Proceed to commence free for all battle royale great africa war to determine new borders /s
JustAnotherJoe99 on
I am pretty sure wars did not just start after UK and France came along… although they certainly did not help
Far-Bug7444 on
u/repostsleuthbot
Kaiisim on
There are 500 ethnic groups speaking 400 languages just in Sudan to give an example of the complexities of these countries.
So often Colonialism was about using preexisting local conflicts to manipulate people into giving them power and wealth.
The issue is that colonialism was about brutal extraction of wealth from other nations – leaving old enemies to desperately fight over the scraps.
Sea-Indication-8640 on
Actually I find quite impressive how many few wars there been. African countries agreed after decolonisation to not question those lines because they knew it would be chaos if they did.
Naposix92 on
Wait so different cultures can’t live together peacefully?
a_engie on
i have a solution for this, give it all to san Marino
StomachMicrobes on
The only time a leftist agrees multiculturalism doesn’t work is when they make fun of colonial borders then the go back to pretending it does
Personal_Engineer_66 on
Y’all sure love defending colonialism on this sub that’s crazy
Shlugo on
The constant wars are not a bug, they’re a feature. No one (in Europe) wanted another Ottoman empire, or an unified Africa. Creating borders that promote internal conflicts has proven to be an effective, tough ruthless means of preventing that.
PersonalSpaceCadet on
I thought borders were imaginary lines though and third worlders were peaceful people who never did anything wrong.
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All according to Keikaku really, divide and weaken
Tigray? Didn’t Ethiopians conquer this region on their own
This take is so boring.
Go into the middle of Africa and half of em probably haven’t even seen a map to know they’re supposedly divided.
A line on a page isn’t why they are killing each other.
“so why are we fighting again?”
“because the brits drew a line on a map”
“really?”
“of course, it’s literally the only reason people go to war”
People could’ve just fought everyone before these pesky lines.
I mean they could always have settled the boundaries peacefully.
You ever read African history before colonialism lol
It’s one of the reasons not the sole reason, also per my obligations it was….Fr*nce
If you are fr*nch and reading this, I’m currently working out a way to cut that big pointy metal thing and stick it into the museum. Might ~~steal~~ borrow all your baguettes.
Ps. I’m only angry because learning fr*nch is annoying. 😡🤬
Pretty sure most countries don’t have the borders they would want
Tigray, Sudan and Lebanon aren’t european made issues. For the first two, the borders were made by local polities (Egypt and Ethiopia). For the latter, ethnic conflicts existed before Lebanon was created and it was specifically created to avoid such conflicts. It was events and decisions makings that were made after independance that recreated those issues.
That’s honestly a bad meme.
Africa is famously the only continent that has civil wars and border conflicts.
This is not helping the sub’s image of historically illiterate 15yo
u/repostsleuthbot
Yeah because ethnic and tribal warfare didn’t exist before Europeans showed up in that area
If being forced to share a country results in two groups of people wanting to kill each other I don’t really think the main responsibility for that violence lies with the country maker but with you know, the people seemingly unable to let each other live
I disagree Yes sure the lines didn’t help But putting a single cause on a, extremely complicated issue It’s never good, Look at south Sudan entire civil war for ethnic borders, and south Sudan is still ass.
Now look at Botswana no civil war random lines draw yet the country is great compared to other African nations.
When they were released they choose to try to make the borders work
If they haven’t figured things out after centuries and still blame others than it’s their own inability.
Several of these are definitely not because of the colonial powers. Egypt conquered Sudan including the South and the British merely kept those borders, Lebanon had been united within one country for centuries and could not feasibly have been split between Christians and Muslims, and there wasn’t even any notable movement to do so, and Ethiopia was never colonized until way after the lines had been drawn, Tigray being a part of Ethiopia is a result of Ethiopian, not European, expansion.
Proceed to commence free for all battle royale great africa war to determine new borders /s
I am pretty sure wars did not just start after UK and France came along… although they certainly did not help
u/repostsleuthbot
There are 500 ethnic groups speaking 400 languages just in Sudan to give an example of the complexities of these countries.
So often Colonialism was about using preexisting local conflicts to manipulate people into giving them power and wealth.
The issue is that colonialism was about brutal extraction of wealth from other nations – leaving old enemies to desperately fight over the scraps.
Actually I find quite impressive how many few wars there been. African countries agreed after decolonisation to not question those lines because they knew it would be chaos if they did.
Wait so different cultures can’t live together peacefully?
i have a solution for this, give it all to san Marino
The only time a leftist agrees multiculturalism doesn’t work is when they make fun of colonial borders then the go back to pretending it does
Y’all sure love defending colonialism on this sub that’s crazy
The constant wars are not a bug, they’re a feature. No one (in Europe) wanted another Ottoman empire, or an unified Africa. Creating borders that promote internal conflicts has proven to be an effective, tough ruthless means of preventing that.
I thought borders were imaginary lines though and third worlders were peaceful people who never did anything wrong.