Holdup, lets not forget Hillary Clinton at that time was not if barely doing rallies in the Rustbelt states and TPP was a trade deal hugely disliked – where Trump did his fake economical populism that gave him an edge.
This is why Democrats are over performing. Not making the same mistakes – I am willing to take a dive if this is an unpopular opinion but it needs to be stated.
BuckRowdy on
The reason that income inequality is the biggest issue facing the world is that the failure to fix it has allowed mostly white men to amass such tremendous wealth that they can fund thousands of people like Jill Stein to destabilize democracy.
RiffRaffCatillacCat on
In my experience, these Stein voters are the irrational/gullible Left. These are the people who bought into the RW Propaganda of the 2016 election that claimed Clinton would start WW3, or held fast to the grudge against Clinton long after Sanders pleaded with them to vote Clinton rather than risk a Trump POTUS.
These same Stein voters are now the ones falling for the next volley of RW Propaganda in the form of “Genocide Kamala”. Useful idiots for the RW til the end.
AGuyWhoBrokeBad on
I’d also like to point out that Hillary was deeply unpopular. She had decades of right wing talk radio turning her into the personification of D.C. corruption. On top of that, she really didn’t do much to gain support from the types of people who would support stein. If you want progressive voters, throw them a bone. She picked Tim Kaine as her VP for Christs sake. Why not someone with bona fide progressive credentials? Finally, both Hillary and Biden have shown we need to get away from DC insiders who’ve been in Washington politics for 50+ years. Part of what made Trump appealing to his supporters in 2016 is he was a fresh face. It’s also why Kamala is getting a boost over Biden. She’s also relatively fresh, at least by DC standards.
everythingbeeps on
The people who voted for Stein in 2016 were not going to vote for Hillary anyway. I think it’s disingenuous to say she took votes away.
In all likelihood the people who voted for here wouldn’t have voted at all if she wasn’t on the ballot.
Matt16ky on
Let’s not forget Ralph Nader handing Florida to GW Bush
qawsedrf12 on
paid for by Russia too
punkindle on
Our election system is stupid, stupid, stupid
ShamusMcfly69 on
Send her back to Russia
Independent-Call7061 on
I agree. Jill Stein is no loyal American. I am starting to get furious that she keeps running to try to foil anything decent happening in America
Novel-Suggestion-515 on
Politics sub had an AMA for her yesterday.. Cherry picked answers of course.
Of all the reasons why Democrats lost in 2016, Jill Stein is somewhere near the…middle? I won’t say bottom, but there were far bigger problems. You don’t know how many of those voters would have gone to another 3rd Party, stayed home, or even voted for Trump without Stein as an option.
alaf420 on
Lock her up! She’s a traitor to America 🇺🇸
memomem on
Yep, she is trying her hardest to get trump elected. Same with Tulsi, RFK Jr. Cornel West. this story is about 2016, still true today:
I want more political party choices but it is wild to me how often the third party groups attracted literal foreign stooges and bat shit brain worm crazies.
Jill Stein may or may not be guilty of acting as a treasonous foreign agent but damn I wish we could revoke her citizenship and deport her to russia.
Vote BLUE- vote HARRIS!!!! Stein needs to be stopped! Russian spoiler!!!! See photo – Dec 2015 – Jill Stein at dinner in Russia with Putin & Michael Flynn
ScoopTheOranges on
It’s so mental that a handful of votes determine an entire country’s presidency.
First_Play5335 on
will the number of Republicans who are voting for Harris make up for the idiots voting for Stein?
Nojopar on
That’s some funny math. It’s the same basic logic that record companies use to claim pirating costs billions in damages.
There’s arguably two faulty presumptions here. One, that that overwhelming majority of those who voted for Jill Stein would have still voted if Jill Stein wasn’t on the ballot. Two, that the overwhelming majority of those who voted for Jill Stein would not have voted for Trump. Those two things together are required for most of that math to work out to “Stein won 2016 for Trump”. If either are false, then we can’t really say that’s automatically true. MAYBE it is, but it’s as likely the margins would have been effectively the same, give or take a small percent. We just don’t know.
That’s assuming resplendent who vote for her would vote Dem otherwise. Which isn’t a given.
DinkandDrunk on
I was too young to really know how Al Gore would have performed as president, but man it really feels like Hilary losing in 2016 was a huge swing and a miss for America. There is a better timeline out there somewhere and we’re not in it.
Knightwing1047 on
This is the problem with parties. When you put a party next to your name, you have a certain level of expectations from your constituents. That also means there are assumptions. Look at RFK Jr, he is a fucking Republican shill. Jill Stein with the Green party, backing the fascists. We need a better solution.
tazmodious on
What happened to these old hippies? My wife’s parents and many of my moms friends (all former Vietnam protesting hippies that lived in teepees, saw the Grateful Dead, went to Woodstock etc) all drank the Trump cool aid big time.
Was it the brown acid? Was NewAge movement really a right wing brainwashing scheme? It’s a perplexing mystery to me.
ripjesus on
Hilary was a shit candidate too
tazmodious on
Third parties do nothing to prove they are capable of running the country. What political office has Jill Stein held. Has she even governed a small town council? Served as a local rep?
Id like to have a third or fourth party candidate, but so far none have shown me they can actually do the job even at the local level.
Until that happens third party candidates are just spoilers and need to get out of the way.
butWeWereOnBreak on
Can you not make the same argument about Libertarians every time a Republican loses?
river_tree_nut on
The US Presidency is literally the last stop on the ‘end the two party system’ train. I’m all for it, but it’ll be more effective to start in the congress.
gracchusbaboon on
I hope she enjoys gobbling down the regularly furnished cold Putin turds.
snorin on
Classic jill stein.
unclemackkdaddy on
🗑
Gong_Show_Bookcover on
Fuck this Russian agent
h1a4_c0wb0y on
This would probably get you banned from r slash lost generation
City_Stomper on
What’s disappointing personally to me is I believe in some of the green party policies and until Democrats show they actually care about climate change I’d love to one day vote guilt-free for a climate change-focus political party but in my voting lifetime that party has only ever been used for interference. In a just world where the US wasn’t masquerading as a democracy we’d have third and fourth parties that represent an array of policy approaches, and not just voting for corrupt Democrats every 4 years because the other option would fundamentally unravel the whole “United” part of our name.
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Story: [https://whowhatwhy.org/politics/us-politics/jill-stein-what-the-hell-are-you-doing/](https://whowhatwhy.org/politics/us-politics/jill-stein-what-the-hell-are-you-doing/)
Holdup, lets not forget Hillary Clinton at that time was not if barely doing rallies in the Rustbelt states and TPP was a trade deal hugely disliked – where Trump did his fake economical populism that gave him an edge.
This is why Democrats are over performing. Not making the same mistakes – I am willing to take a dive if this is an unpopular opinion but it needs to be stated.
The reason that income inequality is the biggest issue facing the world is that the failure to fix it has allowed mostly white men to amass such tremendous wealth that they can fund thousands of people like Jill Stein to destabilize democracy.
In my experience, these Stein voters are the irrational/gullible Left. These are the people who bought into the RW Propaganda of the 2016 election that claimed Clinton would start WW3, or held fast to the grudge against Clinton long after Sanders pleaded with them to vote Clinton rather than risk a Trump POTUS.
These same Stein voters are now the ones falling for the next volley of RW Propaganda in the form of “Genocide Kamala”. Useful idiots for the RW til the end.
I’d also like to point out that Hillary was deeply unpopular. She had decades of right wing talk radio turning her into the personification of D.C. corruption. On top of that, she really didn’t do much to gain support from the types of people who would support stein. If you want progressive voters, throw them a bone. She picked Tim Kaine as her VP for Christs sake. Why not someone with bona fide progressive credentials? Finally, both Hillary and Biden have shown we need to get away from DC insiders who’ve been in Washington politics for 50+ years. Part of what made Trump appealing to his supporters in 2016 is he was a fresh face. It’s also why Kamala is getting a boost over Biden. She’s also relatively fresh, at least by DC standards.
The people who voted for Stein in 2016 were not going to vote for Hillary anyway. I think it’s disingenuous to say she took votes away.
In all likelihood the people who voted for here wouldn’t have voted at all if she wasn’t on the ballot.
Let’s not forget Ralph Nader handing Florida to GW Bush
paid for by Russia too
Our election system is stupid, stupid, stupid
Send her back to Russia
I agree. Jill Stein is no loyal American. I am starting to get furious that she keeps running to try to foil anything decent happening in America
Politics sub had an AMA for her yesterday.. Cherry picked answers of course.
https://preview.redd.it/gfef4jw8ortd1.png?width=1071&format=png&auto=webp&s=a9ad6d90c5379694a4322653624d52e26fe6e278
Of all the reasons why Democrats lost in 2016, Jill Stein is somewhere near the…middle? I won’t say bottom, but there were far bigger problems. You don’t know how many of those voters would have gone to another 3rd Party, stayed home, or even voted for Trump without Stein as an option.
Lock her up! She’s a traitor to America 🇺🇸
Yep, she is trying her hardest to get trump elected. Same with Tulsi, RFK Jr. Cornel West. this story is about 2016, still true today:
https://preview.redd.it/0380gnuqprtd1.png?width=845&format=png&auto=webp&s=64436c3c8ba973302cd2fb5f3db4ef0a89f86102
[https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/russians-launched-pro-jill-stein-social-media-blitz-help-trump-n951166](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/russians-launched-pro-jill-stein-social-media-blitz-help-trump-n951166)
I want more political party choices but it is wild to me how often the third party groups attracted literal foreign stooges and bat shit brain worm crazies.
Jill Stein may or may not be guilty of acting as a treasonous foreign agent but damn I wish we could revoke her citizenship and deport her to russia.
https://preview.redd.it/rh6e9orvrrtd1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=acf2a748aa1e541216ce947b79b4e8608d46c699
Vote BLUE- vote HARRIS!!!! Stein needs to be stopped! Russian spoiler!!!! See photo – Dec 2015 – Jill Stein at dinner in Russia with Putin & Michael Flynn
It’s so mental that a handful of votes determine an entire country’s presidency.
will the number of Republicans who are voting for Harris make up for the idiots voting for Stein?
That’s some funny math. It’s the same basic logic that record companies use to claim pirating costs billions in damages.
There’s arguably two faulty presumptions here. One, that that overwhelming majority of those who voted for Jill Stein would have still voted if Jill Stein wasn’t on the ballot. Two, that the overwhelming majority of those who voted for Jill Stein would not have voted for Trump. Those two things together are required for most of that math to work out to “Stein won 2016 for Trump”. If either are false, then we can’t really say that’s automatically true. MAYBE it is, but it’s as likely the margins would have been effectively the same, give or take a small percent. We just don’t know.
https://vatniksoup.com/en/soups/306/
Her AMA was a flaming dumpster fire in which she did not answer any hard questions
https://preview.redd.it/p04wa9c6zrtd1.png?width=2160&format=png&auto=webp&s=2c3a4d09ed1075aaa7202d27a28f5efc36825fcd
Flynn there too.
How different the world would have looked
That’s assuming resplendent who vote for her would vote Dem otherwise. Which isn’t a given.
I was too young to really know how Al Gore would have performed as president, but man it really feels like Hilary losing in 2016 was a huge swing and a miss for America. There is a better timeline out there somewhere and we’re not in it.
This is the problem with parties. When you put a party next to your name, you have a certain level of expectations from your constituents. That also means there are assumptions. Look at RFK Jr, he is a fucking Republican shill. Jill Stein with the Green party, backing the fascists. We need a better solution.
What happened to these old hippies? My wife’s parents and many of my moms friends (all former Vietnam protesting hippies that lived in teepees, saw the Grateful Dead, went to Woodstock etc) all drank the Trump cool aid big time.
Was it the brown acid? Was NewAge movement really a right wing brainwashing scheme? It’s a perplexing mystery to me.
Hilary was a shit candidate too
Third parties do nothing to prove they are capable of running the country. What political office has Jill Stein held. Has she even governed a small town council? Served as a local rep?
Id like to have a third or fourth party candidate, but so far none have shown me they can actually do the job even at the local level.
Until that happens third party candidates are just spoilers and need to get out of the way.
Can you not make the same argument about Libertarians every time a Republican loses?
The US Presidency is literally the last stop on the ‘end the two party system’ train. I’m all for it, but it’ll be more effective to start in the congress.
I hope she enjoys gobbling down the regularly furnished cold Putin turds.
Classic jill stein.
🗑
Fuck this Russian agent
This would probably get you banned from r slash lost generation
What’s disappointing personally to me is I believe in some of the green party policies and until Democrats show they actually care about climate change I’d love to one day vote guilt-free for a climate change-focus political party but in my voting lifetime that party has only ever been used for interference. In a just world where the US wasn’t masquerading as a democracy we’d have third and fourth parties that represent an array of policy approaches, and not just voting for corrupt Democrats every 4 years because the other option would fundamentally unravel the whole “United” part of our name.