Especially when you consider that basically all the third party candidates are/were funded by conservatives.
Pfelinus on
Have the head of the 3rd party have a photo I with the fascist leader.
GhostofAugustWest on
Government and politics are all about compromises. I will never understand someone who would prefer to get nothing rather than 60-70% of what they want.
Camichef on
Left bashing classics. Why don’t you compromise more with the fascists and adopt more of their policies you called Draconian 4 years ago.
Complicit in genocide. Both parties are fascist abroad, and you’re being ahistorical if you think that fascism won’t come home to roost later.
By the way fun thing you can criticize a party every single day up to an election to push them away from fascism and still quietly vote for “the lesser of two evils” and the liberal push to force progressives to shut up, comply and endorse the dems is at its core undemocratic.
Edit: spot the lie or keep down voting and encourage the further rightward push.
bookon on
This is how Roe got overturned and thousands of families got torn apart at the border.
It is also estimated that 100’s of thousands of unnecessary deaths were caused by Trump treating Covid as a political issue rather than a public health one.
So sure, wait for perfect. What’s the worst that can happen?
medge54 on
This is why preferential voting is required. Everywhere!
cpg grey on you tube has a couple of videos that explain it perfectly.
jpg52382 on
So the only way to stop the fascist takeover is to support the lone other option which enables the fascist. Weird.
weelluuuu on
Rank choice voting, NOW!
When do we want it? NOW
FredFlinstonesKilt on
The Bernie Bro effect. The Republican party thanks them for their generous contribution.
kapmando on
You can’t fault people for voting their principles. I personally view voting as harm reduction and vote as such, but I can’t begrudge someone not voting in the duopoly. If people didn’t vote duopoly we may have never gotten trump in the first place.
questformaps on
Many “leftists” on reddit are educated conservatives using pedantry to further divide anyone with a shred of decency and villainizing “liberals” (knowing that right wing media equates leftists and liberals, so this *only* hurts the progressive parties.)
Many people pushing for “perfect” policies (without acknowledging the time, effort, and steps it takes to get to that legislation) and demonizing the steps to get there, are saboteurs. (See the cannabis legalization movement.)
sunsoftbass on
This is why other elections have two rounds, if you vote for a third option who has little chance of winning, you didn’t waste your vote, if no candidate gets 50% of the votes, we get a second round with only two candidates.
AKMarine on
How screwed up is our election system when people are shamed for voting their principles instead of making a binary choice?
IanMalkaviac on
Fun fact: The news has already ran stories about how Harris and Harris/ Walz is to far left of center to win in a general election. This is absolutely going to be every news channel’s talking point if they do not win this November.
Withholding your vote because you don’t think the Dems are “left” enough for your tastes will have 100% the opposite reaction from the party.
Also, that fact was not actually fun
Delicious-Ocelot3751 on
had a conversation with a friend the other day that basically went
“what if we let trump win again so the pendulum swings even harder next time”
harris/walz are as progressive liberal as it gets. they want to go back to the status quo like a lot of people do… but the status quo is the reason why we’re here now. we need actual meaningful changes and not course corrections. biden went pretty far into the right to meet MAGA and it’s dimwits where they stand, harris plans on continuing that tradition as well.
Delicious-Ocelot3751 on
and for the love of god
liberal ≠ left leaning
Advanced-Ingenuity46 on
Basically 2016 all over again. I know several people that voted third party then because somehow Hillary was as bad as Trump in their minds. I just sit silent as they explain their rationale.
MainlyMicroPlastics on
I agree with the post and I truly understand where it’s coming from
But I really wish the Democrats would realize it’s easier to motivate 100 progressives than it is to convert 10 Trump supporters
When Kamala does things like reverse her stance on universal healthcare, it hurts her more than helps her and that’s not talked about enough
sunny5724 on
“But I stuck to my principals!!!” (Fuck the country)
ItsSuchaFineLine on
Third party voters are as clueless and destructive to our democracy as Magas and I’ll never forgive them for 2016. I think their ignorance stands out even more for me from that time because they were so obtuse about it, too. They may be what gets us Trump again this time around, too.
naththegrath10 on
Bring this same energy to the upper middle class middle age white voters who call themselves “moderates” but vote republicans. They are the ones who drag the democrat party to the right only for them to not vote Dem.
kaptainkooleio on
Sorry but yall need to fuck off with this shit. Not because you’re wrong, but because focusing on a minority of the voting populace is a waste of time. Every time I open this sub I see dumb memes about how much of a threat these supposed 3rd party “progressive” voters are when in reality they’re not even a percentage of a percentage. I volunteer and every single progressive and leftist I know has thrown their support behind Harris, even the ones who initially abstained because of Joe and Israel’s genocide.
Seriously, fuck off with this. It’s like taking a tweet that has 100 or so likes and acting like that person represents an entire movement.
EscapeFromTexas on
Nobody is significantly doing this, the DNC is just laying the groundwork of blame for if she loses.
LurkerPatrol on
“I have two feet, which one should I shoot?”
SaintMorose on
Good ol’ fptp
Unstable_C4 on
I wish I knew how to link YT videos, because I would link to the Cell v Gohan fight in the abridged series. Cell talks to Gohan about his pacifist mindset and letting people die, but he kept to his moral compass
urnbabyurn on
I guarantee that if Harris loses, the Democratic Party will not shift to the left. It will do what it did in the 90s and shift to the right. Those marginal GOP voters who may be willing to vote Democrat are far more reliable and likely to help Dems win elections than Leftists who seem to think it’s all or nothing when it comes to supporting a politician.
callmekizzle on
It’s wild that people can post stuff like and think they’ve made some kind of gotcha but actually not realize they are just openly admitting we don’t have democracy in the US
PlantPocalypse on
Basically describing any of the tankie subs. Im not sure however if they’re actual basement communists or Russian agents. They basically have the same job though
discussatron on
Yup. I can’t condemn anyone for voting their conscience, but people should know the results of their actions. 3rd party candidates in US presidential elections function only as vote splitters, advantaging the candidate they are least like.
zettairyouikisan on
I don’t think both sides are the same, but damn people on the extremes are fucking stupid. The center should unify to stomp out the edgelords.
Rice_Liberty on
“You’re throwing away your vote by voting for someone you like, stupid tankie. How about you use your vote the right way by voting for someone you don’t like!”
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Especially when you consider that basically all the third party candidates are/were funded by conservatives.
Have the head of the 3rd party have a photo I with the fascist leader.
Government and politics are all about compromises. I will never understand someone who would prefer to get nothing rather than 60-70% of what they want.
Left bashing classics. Why don’t you compromise more with the fascists and adopt more of their policies you called Draconian 4 years ago.
Complicit in genocide. Both parties are fascist abroad, and you’re being ahistorical if you think that fascism won’t come home to roost later.
By the way fun thing you can criticize a party every single day up to an election to push them away from fascism and still quietly vote for “the lesser of two evils” and the liberal push to force progressives to shut up, comply and endorse the dems is at its core undemocratic.
Edit: spot the lie or keep down voting and encourage the further rightward push.
This is how Roe got overturned and thousands of families got torn apart at the border.
It is also estimated that 100’s of thousands of unnecessary deaths were caused by Trump treating Covid as a political issue rather than a public health one.
So sure, wait for perfect. What’s the worst that can happen?
This is why preferential voting is required. Everywhere!
cpg grey on you tube has a couple of videos that explain it perfectly.
So the only way to stop the fascist takeover is to support the lone other option which enables the fascist. Weird.
Rank choice voting, NOW!
When do we want it? NOW
The Bernie Bro effect. The Republican party thanks them for their generous contribution.
You can’t fault people for voting their principles. I personally view voting as harm reduction and vote as such, but I can’t begrudge someone not voting in the duopoly. If people didn’t vote duopoly we may have never gotten trump in the first place.
Many “leftists” on reddit are educated conservatives using pedantry to further divide anyone with a shred of decency and villainizing “liberals” (knowing that right wing media equates leftists and liberals, so this *only* hurts the progressive parties.)
Many people pushing for “perfect” policies (without acknowledging the time, effort, and steps it takes to get to that legislation) and demonizing the steps to get there, are saboteurs. (See the cannabis legalization movement.)
This is why other elections have two rounds, if you vote for a third option who has little chance of winning, you didn’t waste your vote, if no candidate gets 50% of the votes, we get a second round with only two candidates.
How screwed up is our election system when people are shamed for voting their principles instead of making a binary choice?
Fun fact: The news has already ran stories about how Harris and Harris/ Walz is to far left of center to win in a general election. This is absolutely going to be every news channel’s talking point if they do not win this November.
Withholding your vote because you don’t think the Dems are “left” enough for your tastes will have 100% the opposite reaction from the party.
Also, that fact was not actually fun
had a conversation with a friend the other day that basically went
“what if we let trump win again so the pendulum swings even harder next time”
harris/walz are as progressive liberal as it gets. they want to go back to the status quo like a lot of people do… but the status quo is the reason why we’re here now. we need actual meaningful changes and not course corrections. biden went pretty far into the right to meet MAGA and it’s dimwits where they stand, harris plans on continuing that tradition as well.
and for the love of god
liberal ≠ left leaning
Basically 2016 all over again. I know several people that voted third party then because somehow Hillary was as bad as Trump in their minds. I just sit silent as they explain their rationale.
I agree with the post and I truly understand where it’s coming from
But I really wish the Democrats would realize it’s easier to motivate 100 progressives than it is to convert 10 Trump supporters
When Kamala does things like reverse her stance on universal healthcare, it hurts her more than helps her and that’s not talked about enough
“But I stuck to my principals!!!” (Fuck the country)
Third party voters are as clueless and destructive to our democracy as Magas and I’ll never forgive them for 2016. I think their ignorance stands out even more for me from that time because they were so obtuse about it, too. They may be what gets us Trump again this time around, too.
Bring this same energy to the upper middle class middle age white voters who call themselves “moderates” but vote republicans. They are the ones who drag the democrat party to the right only for them to not vote Dem.
Sorry but yall need to fuck off with this shit. Not because you’re wrong, but because focusing on a minority of the voting populace is a waste of time. Every time I open this sub I see dumb memes about how much of a threat these supposed 3rd party “progressive” voters are when in reality they’re not even a percentage of a percentage. I volunteer and every single progressive and leftist I know has thrown their support behind Harris, even the ones who initially abstained because of Joe and Israel’s genocide.
Seriously, fuck off with this. It’s like taking a tweet that has 100 or so likes and acting like that person represents an entire movement.
Nobody is significantly doing this, the DNC is just laying the groundwork of blame for if she loses.
“I have two feet, which one should I shoot?”
Good ol’ fptp
I wish I knew how to link YT videos, because I would link to the Cell v Gohan fight in the abridged series. Cell talks to Gohan about his pacifist mindset and letting people die, but he kept to his moral compass
I guarantee that if Harris loses, the Democratic Party will not shift to the left. It will do what it did in the 90s and shift to the right. Those marginal GOP voters who may be willing to vote Democrat are far more reliable and likely to help Dems win elections than Leftists who seem to think it’s all or nothing when it comes to supporting a politician.
It’s wild that people can post stuff like and think they’ve made some kind of gotcha but actually not realize they are just openly admitting we don’t have democracy in the US
Basically describing any of the tankie subs. Im not sure however if they’re actual basement communists or Russian agents. They basically have the same job though
Yup. I can’t condemn anyone for voting their conscience, but people should know the results of their actions. 3rd party candidates in US presidential elections function only as vote splitters, advantaging the candidate they are least like.
I don’t think both sides are the same, but damn people on the extremes are fucking stupid. The center should unify to stomp out the edgelords.
“You’re throwing away your vote by voting for someone you like, stupid tankie. How about you use your vote the right way by voting for someone you don’t like!”